Posts by Had Enough

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troubled [in need of answers]

by zev in

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friends

today, i had a long, long talk with my employer.

this person is some one who can seperate work and personal things, so after feeling like i needed to talk to someone, and soon, before i crack up, i went to her and dropped the bomb.

she is not a witness, and because i cannot talk to a witness about what i have learned, for fear of the df'ing thingy, i feel safe in talking to her.

I truly feel for what you are going through. I wondered how you were doing after you mentioned a few things in your posts about your new information and not wanting to go to the meetings and the rift it was causing with your wife.

I'm in a similar situation only not on a daily basis...it's with my active JW daughter and brother who want to see me return to the meetings and I have a hard time not discussing it with them for fear they will feel the need to get some elders to "help me with my questions" and we all know where that would probably lead. I don't want them to be forced into shunning me.

HOWEVER .. my thoughts have been turned toward an approach like what larc just posted about "playing dumb" and asking questions about "how would you answer this question at the door?" etc.

My idea came from the site at:
http://www.freeminds.org/psych/exithelp.htm
"How I Helped My Family Leave Jehovah's Witnesses" the account of a man who helped his family reason their way to see the real "truth" through their bible study and informal discussions.

I found it very enlightening and hope to use it when the opportunities arise.

Perhaps this site and the connecting site on actual subjects he used to get them thinking, will be of some use to you.

I certainly hope you can find a solution to your problem. Please let us know.

Had Enough

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HOMOSEXUAL CLERGY

by MacHislopp in

we have never read " officially " about homosexual problems at the.

bethel in new york , but can often read something that the wts wrote .

abouth other religions: .

Had Enough

Hello SanFranciscoJim:

I'm so glad you brought up this subject of how the Biblical passages supposedly condemning homosexuality can be explained by ones supporting it. I haven't time right now but I will look into your site to see your views.

I've been thinking for days now of posting a question to you and put it up for discussion on how you explain the scriptures we all, as JWs, learned 'condemning' gay sex. I just didn't want to open a can of worms and bring unnecessary hurt to you so I just kept thinking about how to open up the subject.

I admit I had the typical viewpoint taught by the JWs supposedly upheld by the scriptures. Now I have come to see that in many other instances, the translations of the original meanings were slanted by Fred Franz's wording.

So I welcome the chance to look into this subject deeper because, I now enjoy the freedom to seek out the truth. I feel like a sponge wanting to know more about what truth was kept from me for all my life and I want to be fair and understanding to all.

Thank you,

Had Enough

15

I have been rumbled!

by uncle_onion in

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i tried to join witnet and used a different nick name.

the idea being that i could try to "help" the confused.well i got rumbled.

this is the email that i recieved back:.

Had Enough

I still want to know...is it just through our email address (which of course can be changed by signing up with "hotmail" and such)?

I'm curious and would like to know and have more internet savvy!

Thanks
Had Enough

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I have been rumbled!

by uncle_onion in

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friends

i tried to join witnet and used a different nick name.

the idea being that i could try to "help" the confused.well i got rumbled.

this is the email that i recieved back:.

Had Enough

What do you suppose gave you away if you used a different name...your email address? or what?

Just curious.

Had Enough

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Glad I found this place & Questions about H2O

by Liberty in

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it's good to see so many familiar folks here on this sight from the old h2o.

is this(the site we're on now) "simon's site" that some on the new h2o were talking about?

i have nothing against the new h2o but it always causes my netscape connection to crash and it's not as easy to use as the old h2o or this site.

Had Enough

Hi Liberty:

Welcome to the board.

I started out searching for info and support about Feb. this year, after reading C of C book and was directed to H20 to start with but found it slow to move around in and also found the constant "yelling" and fighting about deleted posts, very tiresome so I linked to 'freeminds' from there and then linked to this site in March.

I like it here much better, and have been finding out a wealth of info, got the courage up to start posting and got the support and boost I needed.

Looking forward to 'hearing' from you.

I've...

Had Enough (of the WTS lies and need more real 'truth')

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How to Leave WT and Intact

by JT in

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one of the most painful things i continue to see here on this forum as well as all the others is that many who want to leave wt simply don't know how to leave and remain "intact" as it were.. i recall talking with jw who "formally disassociated themselves back in the 70s and it was not till the 90s and the net did they finally feel free.

or many who jump up and write a letter off to mo larry and curly (congregation service committee).

while i feel there is absolutely nothing wrong with writing a letter for many it is a matter of.

Had Enough

JT:

That's why I love this "NET THANG" too.

A year ago I only "felt" like I didn't want to go to the meetings anymore because of my hurt over the shunning thing in my family. I couldn't agree with it but felt alone and had pangs of guilt thrown in continually, and guilt added on by family members who thought that if I went to the meetings, that would influence my da'd son to return.

I knew that wouldn't help him but they wouldn't agree.

Talking about it with my very 'open-minded-but-still-hanging-on' JW friends helped me and one contact actually lead me to pick up a C of C book.

That was the start of my journey to searching out whatever else I could find out that was kept from the eyes and ears of the general r&f. BINGO I found this and Randy's "freeminds" site and haven't stopped since.

The result so far?...I no longer am plagued by guilt and have felt a load of stress lifted from my shoulders.

I agree that for those who have family (like I do) of still active JWs, then the quiet, non-confrontational fading is best.

The hard part of that?....is the need to keep quiet about what you have found out so the loyal JW family member doesn't think they'll be doing what's best for you by informing the elders that you need "help".

Preparation is the key. Even if you never get to use the material you gather and organize (ie:in a binder), you'll have it at your fingertips for your own peace of mind and for that hopeful time when someone does open up to you about their own doubts.

Had Enough

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JW JOKES PLEASE ADD MORE!

by natred in

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jokeshow to get rid of a jehovah's witness... .

when they ask, "can i talk to you about god?

" reply, "sure, what would you like to know?

Had Enough

Hi all:

The funny thing to me is that I've already heard most of these jokes and they came from Bethelites...go figure... I guess they can have a sense of humour!

Had Enough

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Newly DF'd/DA'd

by praying_mantis in

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friends

over a year ago i divorced my husband.

he is the son of an elder, was addicted to pornography, and started doing drugs before i called it quits.

since then, i have met someone else.

Had Enough

TR:

I thought E was for "Elder". Could be for your "Eminence", or "Egomanic", or "Ectoparasite" ...probably alot more

Had Enough

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Will be in Seattle May 27-29th

by TR in

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anyone want to meet up, riz, others?

let me know.. tr.

"cults suck"

Had Enough

Hi there TR:

Wish I could join you all! I feel like I know so many of you already but I would dearly love to meet you people. Geography is way out of whack though -- Ontario, Canada.

Anyway, TR, would you check out my post to 'praying mantis' in "Newly DA'd/DF'd"? I added a message to you or SlayerLayer calling on your artistic talents to show us your version of LovesDubs' description of 'Elder Janitor Joe Schmo' in that thread.

Thanks, Had Enough

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Newly DF'd/DA'd

by praying_mantis in

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over a year ago i divorced my husband.

he is the son of an elder, was addicted to pornography, and started doing drugs before i called it quits.

since then, i have met someone else.

Had Enough

Hello Praying Mantis:

Your story really touches my heart and a nerve.

I let the those men push me around and bully me...those men in their "tights, cape and mask" who "throw down their mops for 5 hours a week" as was so vividly described for us.

I don't feel up to going into my details right now, but I can say that the advice you've already received in the above posts are excellent, from one whose been there.

As for the guilt you are feeling, I know that first hand too like so many of us here. BUT keep coming here and reading all you can about the wrongdoings in the org....the falsehoods, the deceptions, the hypocrisy and double-standards, the arrogant displays of "we will deal with molesters ourselves because we are God's chosen people and know better than the laws of the land", and on and on.

The more you find out, the more you will be strengthened to destroy those guilt feelings. They are misplaced. It is working for me quicker than I would have thought possible since I was so typical in my "swift to take the blame" indoctrination.

Welcome again and continue to join in.

To LovesDubs: Your description of Joe Schmoe Janitor Man with the cardboard badge and the cape and tights with the "E" tattoo is the best therapy yet. The mental picture I have will be with me for a long time. Thanks, I needed that!!!!!

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Hey TR and SlayerLayer:

How about putting your talented drawing pencils to work and letting us have a real picture of that LovesDubs described above of 'Joe Schmoe Janitor Man' and the phonebooth scene. That will be priceless!

Had Enough